<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: art v craft; round 1</title> <atom:link href="http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/</link> <description>handcraft in a hectic world</description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 22:24:51 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2</generator> <item><title>By: A Ervilha Cor de Rosa &#187; #521:</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-655985</link> <dc:creator>A Ervilha Cor de Rosa &#187; #521:</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:52:29 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-655985</guid> <description>[...] (e à celeuma a meu ver um tanto ridícula que a última exposição dele provocou) através de um excelente post do Whip [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (e à celeuma a meu ver um tanto ridícula que a última exposição dele provocou) através de um excelente post do Whip [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Artchicken</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1508</link> <dc:creator>Artchicken</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 02 Apr 2006 15:17:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1508</guid> <description>Reclaim the work if it offends you. Purchase his, rip it out, and re-stitch it. You can erase his work just as easily.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reclaim the work if it offends you.<br /> Purchase his, rip it out, and re-stitch it.<br /> You can erase his work just as easily.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Making Time &#187; Blog Archive &#187; need some craft comic relief?</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1434</link> <dc:creator>Making Time &#187; Blog Archive &#187; need some craft comic relief?</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 29 Mar 2006 16:10:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1434</guid> <description>[...] plus, i wrote a post for whip-up this weekend&#8230; and i flipping clicked &#8216;publish&#8217; when i meant to click &#8216;draft&#8217;&#8230; honestly! so it was not well-edited or considered. i had meant to let it simmer for a little while. and i regret that it was not rigorous enough, and considered enough&#8230; and the dialogue that came from it is good, but i feel like i said some stupid things. well, i did. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] plus, i wrote a post for whip-up this weekend&#8230; and i flipping clicked &#8216;publish&#8217; when i meant to click &#8216;draft&#8217;&#8230; honestly! so it was not well-edited or considered. i had meant to let it simmer for a little while. and i regret that it was not rigorous enough, and considered enough&#8230; and the dialogue that came from it is good, but i feel like i said some stupid things. well, i did. [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Life de Luxe &#187; Bloggarkiv &#187; Whipup: Om dålig konst och gammalt hantverk</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1364</link> <dc:creator>Life de Luxe &#187; Bloggarkiv &#187; Whipup: Om dålig konst och gammalt hantverk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:30:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1364</guid> <description>[...] Den intressanta samarbetsbloggen whipup.net har en artikel om Stephen Sollins, en konstn&#228;r som repar upp gamla blekta broderier och syr ditt sina egna motiv. The thing I think is: &#8220;but is it good art?&#8221; In a way, I think this series of work is a clever and simple device, and a conceptual one-liner. I do think it is important to see an artist&#8217;s work as part of their larger body of work. I have not seen Sollins&#8217;s other work, but I would guess that he probably meanders among media, and makes similiar conceptual mind-candy. I&#8217;m guessing his work might be more about ironic statement-making, rather than work about embroidery or domestic history. I doubt the work was intentionally about the erasure of woman&#8217;s history by a dominant autocratic male force. Bilderna Sollins skapar &#228;r helt ointressanta f&#246;r mig, &#229;tminstone de jag sett. Men diskussionen som uppst&#229;tt kring hans serie bilder &#228;r v&#228;ldigt intressant: blir en broderad bonad konst n&#228;r en man river upp en kvinnas omsorgsfullt sydda stygn och ers&#228;tter dem med sina egna klumpiga kvadrater? I s&#229; fall, varf&#246;r? [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Den intressanta samarbetsbloggen whipup.net har en artikel om Stephen Sollins, en konstn&#228;r som repar upp gamla blekta broderier och syr ditt sina egna motiv. The thing I think is: &#8220;but is it good art?&#8221; In a way, I think this series of work is a clever and simple device, and a conceptual one-liner. I do think it is important to see an artist&#8217;s work as part of their larger body of work. I have not seen Sollins&#8217;s other work, but I would guess that he probably meanders among media, and makes similiar conceptual mind-candy. I&#8217;m guessing his work might be more about ironic statement-making, rather than work about embroidery or domestic history. I doubt the work was intentionally about the erasure of woman&#8217;s history by a dominant autocratic male force. Bilderna Sollins skapar &#228;r helt ointressanta f&#246;r mig, &#229;tminstone de jag sett. Men diskussionen som uppst&#229;tt kring hans serie bilder &#228;r v&#228;ldigt intressant: blir en broderad bonad konst n&#228;r en man river upp en kvinnas omsorgsfullt sydda stygn och ers&#228;tter dem med sina egna klumpiga kvadrater? I s&#229; fall, varf&#246;r? [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hayley</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1360</link> <dc:creator>Hayley</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 28 Mar 2006 00:21:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1360</guid> <description>Would this piece be interpreted differently if Sollins was female?  Absolutely.  In response to Hestia I think this piece is 100% related to gender.  Samplers are a part of women&#039;s history, not just as a craft, but as a social obligation.Samplers were also a symbol of class status; many of the more elaborate samplers were made by upper class women, who had the time, resources, and education to produce them.  Those ones are highly valued today (I have seen a few priced on Antiques Roadshow), and there are plenty of art exhibits displaying elaborate samplers.  The fact that he was able to tear one apart means that it was probably one that was done by a lower/ working class woman.  So not only is it women&#039;s history that is being erased/ covered but it is lower class women&#039;s history.  I find it extremely offensive, but like McAuliflower said above, the artist was looking for an emotionally charged response.Situationalists used this method to produce, saying value should not be determined by age and that no one piece of art is worth more than another.  But still, that method ignores the fact that the work of women, non-whites, minority religions, etc. have been consistently devalued already.I would hate to ignore something like this because men who make “high art” out of “craft” has been such a trend in the art world, where value is arbitrary assigned to their work.  Sollins is saying that as THE ARTIST (remember the modern/ historical debate over &quot;the artist&#039;s hand&quot;), his work is important, but the sampler by some unknown woman is generic.I think we can change our perception to take value away from the artist&#039;s work; what would his work be like if not for the woman who made the original sampler?  Whose work is better?  Who made the original sampler and why?  What a review of the work completely ignored his little squares and only focused on the original sampler?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would this piece be interpreted differently if Sollins was female?  Absolutely.  In response to Hestia I think this piece is 100% related to gender.  Samplers are a part of women&#8217;s history, not just as a craft, but as a social obligation.</p><p>Samplers were also a symbol of class status; many of the more elaborate samplers were made by upper class women, who had the time, resources, and education to produce them.  Those ones are highly valued today (I have seen a few priced on Antiques Roadshow), and there are plenty of art exhibits displaying elaborate samplers.  The fact that he was able to tear one apart means that it was probably one that was done by a lower/ working class woman.  So not only is it women&#8217;s history that is being erased/ covered but it is lower class women&#8217;s history.  I find it extremely offensive, but like McAuliflower said above, the artist was looking for an emotionally charged response.</p><p>Situationalists used this method to produce, saying value should not be determined by age and that no one piece of art is worth more than another.  But still, that method ignores the fact that the work of women, non-whites, minority religions, etc. have been consistently devalued already.</p><p>I would hate to ignore something like this because men who make “high art” out of “craft” has been such a trend in the art world, where value is arbitrary assigned to their work.  Sollins is saying that as THE ARTIST (remember the modern/ historical debate over &#8220;the artist&#8217;s hand&#8221;), his work is important, but the sampler by some unknown woman is generic.</p><p>I think we can change our perception to take value away from the artist&#8217;s work; what would his work be like if not for the woman who made the original sampler?  Whose work is better?  Who made the original sampler and why?  What a review of the work completely ignored his little squares and only focused on the original sampler?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Chrome Poet</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1333</link> <dc:creator>Chrome Poet</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 27 Mar 2006 13:46:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1333</guid> <description>I find it difficult to see anything positive in this work. Making way for geometry by erasing individual, artistic effort makes a broad statement about our society, but does it justify destroying artifacts? Do we really need blocks of color juxtaposed on needle work patterns to remind us that we have become narrow-minded materialists?On the other hand, they are nicely arranged blocks of color, I guess.BTW, the statement about our society that I read in this work: We have destroyed personal art with technology and with blind faith that what experts call fine art is indeed fine and art; that the efforts of &#039;trained&#039; artists is more important than the creation for the joy of creation by natural artists.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it difficult to see anything positive in this work. Making way for geometry by erasing individual, artistic effort makes a broad statement about our society, but does it justify destroying artifacts? Do we really need blocks of color juxtaposed on needle work patterns to remind us that we have become narrow-minded materialists?</p><p>On the other hand, they are nicely arranged blocks of color, I guess.</p><p>BTW, the statement about our society that I read in this work: We have destroyed personal art with technology and with blind faith that what experts call fine art is indeed fine and art; that the efforts of &#8216;trained&#8217; artists is more important than the creation for the joy of creation by natural artists.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Hestia</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1319</link> <dc:creator>Hestia</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1319</guid> <description>There have actually been a number of contemporary painters who have obliterated paint-by-numbers, and even original oil and acrylic paintings, that they&#039;ve picked up at garage sales and thrift shops. See, for example, &lt;a href=&quot;http://newamericanpaintings.com/53rdbook/53rdpreview/artistpages/Malloko.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chris Malloko&lt;/a&gt;.I think Sollins&#039; work is indirectly related to gender, in that embroidery is &lt;i&gt;culturally&lt;/i&gt; considered to be &quot;women&#039;s work.&quot; If we want to read Sollins&#039; pieces as sexist, it should be because he chose samplers to begin with, &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; because he took those samplers apart.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There have actually been a number of contemporary painters who have obliterated paint-by-numbers, and even original oil and acrylic paintings, that they&#8217;ve picked up at garage sales and thrift shops. See, for example, <a href="http://newamericanpaintings.com/53rdbook/53rdpreview/artistpages/Malloko.htm" rel="nofollow">Chris Malloko</a>.</p><p>I think Sollins&#8217; work is indirectly related to gender, in that embroidery is <i>culturally</i> considered to be &#8220;women&#8217;s work.&#8221; If we want to read Sollins&#8217; pieces as sexist, it should be because he chose samplers to begin with, <i>not</i> because he took those samplers apart.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: McAuliflower</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1317</link> <dc:creator>McAuliflower</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 18:11:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1317</guid> <description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I’m guessing his work might be more about ironic statement-making, rather than work about embroidery or domestic history. I doubt the work was intentionally about the erasure of woman’s history by a dominant autocratic male force.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; - I highly doubt your statement here.  The work that artists exhibit go through intensive rounds of debate and critique- and this is before it is released into the public.His work is good precisely because of the debate and thought that we and others are putting into his exhibiton.  We may not like what he has done, but that is a calculated response that Solins was hoping for. Look at what it has accomplished- a charged emotional response, a posting about his exhibiton even though it was over a year ago!  This is the penultimate response to an art piece an artist could ever dream of... you are keeping his art alive and valuable.He knew what he was doing, as a tradition of &lt;i&gt;eraser art&lt;/i&gt; has been established... his use of textiles was intentional and probably chosen precisely becasue of the gender and time associations tied in with it.  In response to the world wide criticism he has received from embroidery workers he stated the origin of these pieces being the equivalent of paint-by-number works... in that statement he is challenging us, his viewers to ask if that devalues the original un-stiched work.Can you imagine this work re-interpreted in a paint-by-number theme?  Would there be such an outburst?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I’m guessing his work might be more about ironic statement-making, rather than work about embroidery or domestic history. I doubt the work was intentionally about the erasure of woman’s history by a dominant autocratic male force.&#8221;</i> &#8211; I highly doubt your statement here.  The work that artists exhibit go through intensive rounds of debate and critique- and this is before it is released into the public.</p><p>His work is good precisely because of the debate and thought that we and others are putting into his exhibiton.  We may not like what he has done, but that is a calculated response that Solins was hoping for. Look at what it has accomplished- a charged emotional response, a posting about his exhibiton even though it was over a year ago!  This is the penultimate response to an art piece an artist could ever dream of&#8230; you are keeping his art alive and valuable.</p><p>He knew what he was doing, as a tradition of <i>eraser art</i> has been established&#8230; his use of textiles was intentional and probably chosen precisely becasue of the gender and time associations tied in with it.  In response to the world wide criticism he has received from embroidery workers he stated the origin of these pieces being the equivalent of paint-by-number works&#8230; in that statement he is challenging us, his viewers to ask if that devalues the original un-stiched work.</p><p>Can you imagine this work re-interpreted in a paint-by-number theme?  Would there be such an outburst?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Valerie</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1315</link> <dc:creator>Valerie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 17:08:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1315</guid> <description>I agree with &quot;p&quot; about recycling and re-intrepreting other&#039;s work and ideas being a lot of what art and craft are about.  Think of artists/crafters who alter used books, textiles, or other items in various ways, for their own purposes, whether practical or creative.  Even if these items were commercially produced, there was still time and effort that went into creating them originally, only to be altered in some way for someone else&#039;s purpose.As for the commentary on the gallery&#039;s site, it seems unfair to focus on one particular sentence, as provoking as it may be.  Did the artist even write this himself, or was this written by the gallery?  Furthermore, what about the part that explains that Mr. Sollins counted &quot;the stitches by color and then&quot; proceeded &quot;to re-embroider squares in a geometric grid with each colored square consisting of the same number of stitches per color as the original.&quot;  That doesn&#039;t sound like someone just ripping out threads without any regard for some aspect of the original work.  I&#039;m actually curious to know more about this process, like whether the artist hand-embroidered or machine-embroidered the squares on the piece.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with &#8220;p&#8221; about recycling and re-intrepreting other&#8217;s work and ideas being a lot of what art and craft are about.  Think of artists/crafters who alter used books, textiles, or other items in various ways, for their own purposes, whether practical or creative.  Even if these items were commercially produced, there was still time and effort that went into creating them originally, only to be altered in some way for someone else&#8217;s purpose.</p><p>As for the commentary on the gallery&#8217;s site, it seems unfair to focus on one particular sentence, as provoking as it may be.  Did the artist even write this himself, or was this written by the gallery?  Furthermore, what about the part that explains that Mr. Sollins counted &#8220;the stitches by color and then&#8221; proceeded &#8220;to re-embroider squares in a geometric grid with each colored square consisting of the same number of stitches per color as the original.&#8221;  That doesn&#8217;t sound like someone just ripping out threads without any regard for some aspect of the original work.  I&#8217;m actually curious to know more about this process, like whether the artist hand-embroidered or machine-embroidered the squares on the piece.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Kathie</title><link>http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1308</link> <dc:creator>Kathie</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 13:51:16 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://whipup.net/2006/03/26/art-v-craft-round-1/#comment-1308</guid> <description>I count myself among those seriously offended by this series.  I question whether &quot;commonplace linens&quot; really need to be elevated to &quot;fine art&quot;, by him or by anyone else.  I just don&#039;t see the point.As to whether Sollin was able to fully understand what he was doing: counted cross stitch is not a speedy process.  It took him awhile to work his magic--to rip out what was there and to embroider his color blocks.  I think he had plenty of time to consider the implications.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I count myself among those seriously offended by this series.  I question whether &#8220;commonplace linens&#8221; really need to be elevated to &#8220;fine art&#8221;, by him or by anyone else.  I just don&#8217;t see the point.</p><p>As to whether Sollin was able to fully understand what he was doing: counted cross stitch is not a speedy process.  It took him awhile to work his magic&#8211;to rip out what was there and to embroider his color blocks.  I think he had plenty of time to consider the implications.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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